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October 31, 2002

Board working on Bylaws

The notetaker having arrived slightly late, it seems like the board accepted much of the input from the GAC, and from some DNSO constituencies who yesterday asked for a constituency concept where one entity can simultaneously be a member of several constituencies.

Moderately good news for the ALAC: Subject to the transition article of the bylaws, the At Large Advisory Committee is going to have a non-voting liaison on the GNSO Names Council. If I got it correctly, ALAC is not going to be explicitly included with the policy-development process. The Board is now going into resolution mode. The plan seems to be to adopt the bylaws, but only make them effective once the transition article has been accepted. Blokzijl is concerned that the board is going to put some instrument in place which does not exist. worried about future coordination of crucial internet technical functions. Supposes that this is only one stop on the road to the final set of bylaws. Wonders how many times the board is going through process again, adopting bylaws that are known to be subject to fundamental change in the close future. Too early to adopt them. Blokzijl is particularly concerned about the relationship with the RIRs and the ccTLDs. Cohen and Katoh-san vehemently disagree with him. Schink also suggests to vote on the changes now, but wants caveat language on ccTLDs and RIRs in the resolution. Also wants to stick closer to GAC suggestion with respect to expert advisory panels/bodies, as far as international treaty organizations are concerned. Abril i Abril doesn't really like the proposed structure, but seems to find it better than the one we have now. Andy wants to add "free flow of information" behind "innovation" in core value 2. Both Auerbach and Abril i Abril second. Friendly amendment from Kraaijenbrink to delete "free". Accepted unanimously. Further suggests to not just disclose financial contributors, but also amount of contributions. Accepted with two abstentions.

Article 4 section 2, point 16, procedures of the reconsideration committee. Suggests to end the first sentence of this point behind "abusive", and remove the clause on parties unwilling to participate in the public comment period. Rationale: You can't prove that you didn't know. Cohen: Common to have publication in an acceptable way. Lynn agrees with Andy's intent, but would like to see different language. Extensive discussion. Lynn proposes to accept amendment with the understanding that precise wording be voted on in December. Cerf proposes not to have any complex language about future changes. Kraaijenbrink doesn't want to remove it, but suggests to revisit it later; so does Schink. Vote: 7 in favor, 8 against, 3 abstain.

Article XI, section 2.1, GAC principles; point c. Andy wants publication of GAC charter and operating principles and procdedures on the web. Accepted.

Article XI, section 2.4, ALAC. Have a liaison clause in there. Funding? Does not have proposed wording. Would like to raise the question how to deal with this. Lynn believes that funding hard-coded in the bylaw would be a mistake. Vint: Nothing prohibits funding. Karl: There is something which prohibits ICANN funding for regular GNSO Council members. GNSO article forbids funding for GNSO participants. Liaison considered as a GNSO participant? Louis not sure. Cohen could argue both ways. Important and well-taken point. Sympathy on the board for possibility of trying to provide assistance to ALAC as it starts going. Refer to the counsel. Have this on the December agenda. Vint: Take this into general discussion about ALAC. Rather than specifically put this onto agenda as bylaw discussion, put this into general ALAC topic.

Lyman Chapin suggests change to Ssection 2 of article XI: "f) Subject to the provisions of the Transition Article of these bylaws, the At-Large Advisory Committee may designate a non-voting liaison to each of the Supporting Organizations and Advisory Committees to the extent that the at-large advisory committee deems it appropriate and useful to do so." Language taken from GAC description. Procedural confusion: Andy thought Lyman was addressing funding. Withdraws and re-introduces at a later time. No proposed text on Andy's funding question; defer.

Andy again: Article XIII, section 9; new paragraph about conflicts of interests. Wants public statements on conflicts of interest. Serious concern. Alejandro afraid about privacy implications. Must make sure that information is available to committee. Unduly hasty to write this into the bylaws. Lynn asks about director statements. Louis: Currently information is made available confidentially to conflicts of interest committee. Rationale: People may be unwilling to disclose all investments. Lynn: Deal with this in the policy. Don't do it in the bylaws. There may be a chilling effect on future directors or officers. Karl does believe in public disclosure, even when there is chilling effect. Improve confidence. Andy asks for vote. Lynn: Would have to vote against even if he would support substance, since directors not covered by suggested change. Either both or none. Linda Wilson: Disclosure of material interests is common. Prefers to have this discussed by the CoI committee, in order to not take it to extreme. Lynn: Take off the table, consider again. Vote: Not accepted, three in favor, one abstention.

Finally: Andy quotes publication safeguards about policy changes, and suggests to apply this. Vint: Provisional, not final adoption of bylaws.

Break until 11:15.

ASO bylaw discussion

Significant discussion on the bylaw provisions on the ASO. Blokzijl wants to remove these until agreement has been found; others want to keep them, so the ASO continues to exist when (1) the new bylaws are adopted, but (2) there is no MoU with the RIRs. Linda Wilson asks about changes between currently effective language (2000 bylaws) and draft text. Lyman Chapin explains the changes, some as being relatively cosmetical ("organization to be created" vs. current ASO), and one being about a GAC representative. Blokzijl: New text, and impossible to return to old text in the context. If there is no MoU with the RIRs in December, then ICANN has a larger problem than just bylaw language. Vote: Cerf confused about numbers, but ASO language remains in bylaws.

Bret's amendment.

The independent review proposal by Bret Fausett was just moved by Karl Auerbach and seconded by Andy Müller-Maguhn. Some board members find it appealing, but are skeptical. Friendly amendment from Linda Wilson: Replace bearing the cost by sharing in it. Cerf suggests to postpone this along with ALAC funding.

ASO again

Lyman Chapin moves to revert the ASO bylaw provisions to the status quo ante, with exception: Art. VIII, S. 1, item 2 refers to anticipated MoU, which now exists. Apart of that, new text could be identical to old one. No GAC liaison for the moment. Blokzijl: Surrealistic. New situation relative RIRs, any text there is as good or bad as any other. Just put in "[to be supplied]". Cohen doesn't understand why Lyman makes suggestion. Lynn: Lyman's suggestion is reasonable. Intent is to go back to status quo ante, not to sneak something in. Calls for vote. (Linda seconds.) Accepted.

Board vote on new bylaws.

15 in favor. Karl, Andy, Rob against. Amadeu votes in favor, but asks for his fundamental reservations to be added to the minutes.

Privacy working group

Andy has proposed that the board sets up a privacy committee. Some fear of mission creep. Karl Auerbach argues that a privacy committee is the flip side of mandating the release of information. Board will investigate this. Resolution accepted.

Corporate Governance Committee

Linda Wilson just suggests, after the thank you resolutions, to set up a corporate governance committee. The committee is supposed to review the work of the board and its relationship to the CEO and the staff lead by the CEO, including review of the existing committees. Committee could work on the selection of members of other committees; chairman, etc... The committee should relate to the ombudsperson, the public participation manager, and the CEO and the chairman of the board. Would look into complaints, so board doesn't have to rely on anecdotal information. Suggests to adopt language similar to the privacy committee, consider the topic, and decide in December. Amadeu: One of his beloved topics. If one part of ICANN underperforms, it's the board. Not a problem of the individual. Structural constraints. Too many people trying to do too many things on teleconferences. The way in which ICANN board populates committees is extremely strange. Mailing list not used as a tool. Not talking as seriously about the board as about the councils. Cerf: Amadeu excellent candidate. Alejandro: Received requests for changes in corporate governance. Not within scope of ERC. Felicitous way of acting. Put decisions into hands of a group that can actually produce some action. Will also be necessary not to overreact to the demands. Don't do everything at once, but put up work program. Andy: Amadeu gave good description of the task. Very good idea. Exactly that part the ERC missed to address. Unanimously accepted.

Name Server Changes

Amadeu Abril i Abril on name server changes: Name server change when it cdomes for a reliable external source like company disappearing, the goal of stability should be the first and only consideration in doing the IANA functions. Vint adjourns since captioning folks leave.

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